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Re: %wf7+lYr1T

Another butterfly emerged from it's cocoon much to my nephew's surprise.
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Avocados sprout pretty readily in my compost bin, I often find them coming up in my garden after I've transferred the compost to a raised bed. Here's one coming up now in amongst the squash.

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And four that have taken over a raised bed in the front yard, one is at least nine feet tall. No fruit as of yet.

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As @tohl mentioned, they are thirsty creatures. Mine died back during the middle of summer when I didn't water them for a week.

@nanomonkey voted Sounds a bit like [Smallest Federated Wiki](http://fed.wiki.org/)?
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Re: %biUsF4Jha

I'm curious if it would be possible to create a map function for rules, where as we talk about them concurrently, if one is unanimously agreed upon it will pass and be adopted, instead of waiting for someone to propose it during their turn.

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Re: %biUsF4Jha

My apologies @ktorn, I wasn't trying to call you out, and I did want you to take the points but I was hoping that it would be unanimous decision that we were giving them to you. When I realized it was foolish to wait for a unanimous response, I then changed the wording to be less ambiguous in hope to just circumvent the issue. I'm sorry that it appeared like a points grab on my part, trying to get rid of turmoil of that temptation with the rule.

I am also starting to like @mix 's idea of removing points altogether.

@nanomonkey voted ## my nomic strategy It's gonna be a long time before it gets to my turn,
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Re: %gHe63qMVG

@nanomonkey is appropriately the ass in this photo.

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Re: %sHHtPjf3L

What role does the iPad play? Are you running sbot on the iPad, if so, how?! Or are you running sbot on macOs and hosting it for the iPad?

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Re: %biUsF4Jha

As clarification, I assumed my vote was explicit having created the rule. The way the rule is worded I would not have benefitted from voting against it, despite @ktorn's claim, as the adoption phase comes before the point allotment phase. It seemed redundant. My bad.

It's frustrating that there are so many steps required for computer play that aren't spelled out as of yet. Already we are making assumptions as to how votes are made via git-ssb, judgements enacted, etc without much in the way of rules for how these should be conducted. For example, judgement is being enacted, yet no call to judgement was officially made. I realize that this is due to the previous judgement, that makes the assumption that we won't be able to proceed with partial votes without a judgement, but it appears to be in direct conflict with rule 105, it would seem that by rule 110, rule 105 should take precedence.

Oye...</rant>

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Re: %AA6bZUFyE

Wait, should I have voted on my own rule?!

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Re: %E+OxB7V8J

I saw a pair of kevlar and wool socks for barefoot running once. For me, a layer of shoegoo is enough added protection as it's pretty dense and durable. I'd love a pair of moccasins with boiled leather footpads.

Adidas Samba Millennium's are my everyday wear shoes when I'm not wearing boots. They last me about a year which is pretty amazing. The soles are super durable, with reasonable flex, and not much heel. I don't like running in them. I'd like it if there were a version with no heel, but I'm not holding my breath.

Strangely enough I once found myself running in a pair of Ecco slip on loafers and found them near perfect, although it did feel funny to be trail running in dress shoes.

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Re: %AA6bZUFyE

Uh oh Scooby.

@nanomonkey in #cooking-channel
Re: %dJjs+nPSg

I agree with @frankiebee, bananas are high in starch and pectin, specially if they are unripe. Both become gels when heated.

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Re: %E+OxB7V8J

At one point I was getting terrible knee pains while running. Everything I read said to use shoes without heel support, as it was the heel strike that caused impact on your knees. I used to run cross country in high school so I went out looking for some track shoes, but they were all expensive, garish colors or had spikes.

I ran across an article on Parkour that said that Feiyue martial arts shoes were excellent for learning how to land correctly and use your feet properly, so I ordered a pair (they are made in China run around $20). When they came, I was surprised at how basic they were...super low tech, rubber sole with canvas tops. NO padding, period. But low and behold they forced me to run on the balls of my feet and my running partner started complaining that he couldn't keep up with me. After a few months of being left in the dust, he purchased a pair. He would alternate between wearing them and his normal shoes, and strangely enough the days he wore them he could keep up, and the days he didn't he simply "jogged" along behind me.

Anyways, the bottoms are just rubber and wear out quickly, unless you put a layer of shoe goo and a wiggle of tread pattern on the balls of your feet where your feet strike. You do feel every rock that you land on, and your tendons have to warm up a bit, your legs will feel a little tender when you first start out each day. But holy crap does it change things...your legs become springs that propel you, instead of pull you along. It's a strange feeling, but the difference is noticeable and it's impossible to go back to running on your heels.

You can also fold them up and put them in your pack with some shorts easily, they take up no room.

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Re: %d6GITFgHi

Ok, calling the vote. Voting ends at 21:00 Aug. 16th.

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Re: %AA6bZUFyE

I'm going to call the vote. Voting ends at 21:00 UTC Aug. 16th. Cheers!

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Re: %dJjs+nPSg

@cblgh Raisins and black pepper sounds Moroccan.

@nanomonkey in #cooking-channel
Re: %dJjs+nPSg

Similarly, onions can be cooked in a pressure cooker or crock pot with butter until they turn into a spreadable paste. It's instant flavor in a jar. I came across this by accident, I was trying to make caramelized onions in the pressure cooker and didn't realized that they had too much water of their own. I left the lid off and let it simmer for the rest of the day to thicken and then

I think it's called onion jam in other circles, although looking online onion jam isn't quite as much of a spreadable paste as what I produced.

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Re: %AA6bZUFyE

I've made an update to be a complete cycle of player's turns by @dominic's request. Anyone find fault with this or unlikely to vote in favor?

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Re: %d6GITFgHi

@mix I originally named it 302, but as @Soggypretzels pointed out rule 108 states that it needs to increment each time regardless of whether the rule passed or not.

@nanomonkey in #dyeing
Re: %cV4J3xm+w

Eukalyptus will give you a red, blue or purple depending upon the age and type of tree. You can actually place the leaves on the piece of clothe and do direct prints:
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Image courtesy of the Moon, in Oakland.

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Re: %d6GITFgHi

I don't think that I benefit from this in any way that I can see, but I'm willing to amend it to a full circuit. Should I use the terminology of "a complete circuit of turns", or an explicit number and hope that the number of players doesn't change too terribly?

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Re: %AA6bZUFyE

Yes, it is questionable that this rule could effect this turns scoring, although by rule 202, it could be construed that the scoring part of the turn comes after the voting/rule-change part of the turn.

If I'm not wrong, there are only 8 voters, so only one person could vote against it and allow it to pass, thus we could give the nay vote to @ktorn since he has already gone negative, as long as he waits to put in his vote at the end.

@nanomonkey in #cooking-channel
Re: %dJjs+nPSg

I spent two years only eating what I could purchase from the farmer's market. One evening I had fennel bulbs, golden and rainbow beets and blood oranges. I sliced the beets, fennel, and red onions and then roasted them with garlic and olive oil at 425 F until the onion and beets started to caramelize and blacken a bit on their exposed edges. I then I dribbled a healthy tablespoon of honey, stirred it into the hot juices and then added blood orange juice over it all making an ad hoc dressing. I served it warm over arugula lettuce, I believe, (allowing the heat to wilt the leave a bit). It was amazing warm, and even more amazing the next day cold.

It has kind of become a signature dish for dinner parties, and an easy addition if I'm already heating up the oven for a quiche, which is another of my favorites.

Summer squash is really good with sage and butter by the way.

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Re: %AA6bZUFyE

@Soggypretzels, Ah, yes I was uncertain on what number to use. Those are all good suggestion and things I had questions about. I'll modify the Pull Request.

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Re: %d6GITFgHi

When I said rounds in my post, I meant turns. I was unaware that rounds means a full cycle of turns (is that even a useful rule concept when players aren't static). There was no particular reason for choosing 5, except that I would hope that we could make the necessary fixes to the original rules out of the way.

If another number makes more sense, feel free to suggest it or we can extend it in a later turn.

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I was tempted to rerun @ktorn's rule, but really wanted to try my hand at a temporary rule that would improve the game flow for a few rounds (I hope).

I believe I'm supposed to reuse the 301 rule number. Well, here you go:

proposal for rule 302

@nanomonkey
{
  "type": "pull-request",
  "repo": "%gW+ySFcMRjdXTf0hCEvbRrS3NcK7V6Ex0ZPTcptkJTE=.sha256",
  "project": "%gW+ySFcMRjdXTf0hCEvbRrS3NcK7V6Ex0ZPTcptkJTE=.sha256",
  "branch": "master",
  "head_repo": "%gW+ySFcMRjdXTf0hCEvbRrS3NcK7V6Ex0ZPTcptkJTE=.sha256",
  "head_branch": "r302",
  "text": "Proposal for rule 302.  In the interest of creating a temporary period where there isn't incentive to vote against a proposal to gain points."
}
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Re: %OwXsgFYg4

I've never worked on a project that involved Cleco fasteners, but I love the way projects that involve them look. After shaping the sheet metal do you rivet or weld it together?

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Re: %mkuytBstr

I'm wary of the power one could yield with a hacked fleet of poop drone ships.

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Re: %6K6vgBN+E

Ahem, also I think rule 204 encouraged @nanomonkey to vote against.

Yes, I gambled that this early in the game everyone would vote and that a few of us were waiting to vote against it after it had passed. I didn't really count on anyone not voting. It's too bad, it was a good rule.

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Re: %hP9xjxlsk

By my understanding, the rule passed as @mix abstained to vote as an experiment. I think your call to judgement is the only thing that is keeping the next round from proceeding.

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Re: %6K6vgBN+E

Is @mix's vote really a nay, or it a non-vote? It appears that by rule 301, there were 8 voters, 7 ayes and 1 nay which means that the vote passed (7/8 > .8). @mix and @Zach! are now now inactive players and won't be able to vote in the next round.

Any objections to this?

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Re: %cV4J3xm+w

Have you tried using eukalyptus? Some varieties produce nice colors of variety of shades. Beets make a nice dye too. Rosemary is said to make a beautiful green.

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nay

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Re: %a+q/sU/nT

I've read that crushed charcoal works well too. I have a bucket of charcoal that I made next to my luggable loo for such an occasion.

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It looks a lot like the old single cylinder Lister engines. I once helped get an old Lister generator running on woodgas. Those old thumpers will run on anything.

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Re: %a+q/sU/nT

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in a normal composting toilet, your poop and sawdust get churned and mixed with the appropriate bacteria to break down and become soil. The Sunmar systems that I've looked at all had a tray in the bottom where you could remove a finished product that is no different from composted soil. There was an auger and sometimes a heating system for driving off excess moisture and to keep microbial activity thriving.

Since in your case the sawdust is just there to block odors, could you not use sea water instead? You're dumping it overboard into the ocean, thus removing the benefits of the added sawdust composition, so wouldn't it make more sense to just use what is available on the ocean instead?

On that note, is there no way to flush your existing system with salt water?

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Re: %5HxNOQkFc

I'm wondering what the exchange rate is for Schmecles/Bitcoin...

According to the creators, a schmecle is approximately $148 USD...so around .042 BTX per schmecle.

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Yes, DisFunctional Fridays...starting next Friday if I'm not mistaken. Although some may have showed up today.

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Re: %5HxNOQkFc

I'm flush on schmecles, having I have all my saving in Blemflarck. I will sell my votes for McDonald's Szechuan sauce.

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Aye

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Re: %HwbpIzoxn

As opposed to HUMANE Beans?

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So, I opened up chapter 4 in Metamagical Themas where Hofstadter describes and writes about Nomic, it is interesting to me that so many of the rules were later changed for playing the game by mail or computer. Rule 210 explicitly states that players cannot conspire or consult on the making of future rules, and ends there. So originally all of this conversation would not have been allowed. Simple changes like this change the gameplay so much. I can't imagine playing this by mail, it must have taken ages.

@nanomonkey voted Oh and of course @nichoth and @tunabananas and @juul and @jefdaj!
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Re: %gfMst8/+5

How long do you feel players should be given from the point the debate ends and the final form of the proposal is submitted (given that this can end at any time) to when they must cast their vote?

My problem isn't so much with a 24 hour voting window, it was with the idea that wording could change or amendments could be implied during the 24 hours while players were offline. Rereading the discussion, I see that this may have already been part of the suggestion. Is there a finalized wording that you have in mind?

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Re: %gfMst8/+5

@kas, I'm unsure what the cost is that is incurred with quadratic voting. Would we be putting up points to vote?

In my opinion 24 hours appears to be too short of a timespan. Specially if the wording of the rule can change at the last minute while people are offline (asleep). I'm also unsure how one leave a vote in our current setup. The gameplay at this point is still a little unclear to me.

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There are so many people that I'd like to meet in person. When is the next Oakland meet up?! I suggest we get Banh mi and hang out at Lake Merritt, or meet at Sudoroom.

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Re: %3cWZHeN6k

So, will the rules proposals and discussion be done here, or ssb-git?

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Re: %FPF5Cmn8c

indeed bicycles don't pay road tax - but the thing with tax, is you need to some how make an arbitary decision about who pays what tax and how it's enforced. It's just hard to tax bicycles because they don't need anything, and generally bicycles arn't registered, etc.

It's interesting that paved roads were first built by the League of American Wheelmen...a group of bicycle enthusiasts and not by any government.

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Re: %3cWZHeN6k

My surname starts with a G.

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I'm in too! I think that scuttlebutt would also be appropriate for playing 1000 blank white cards. Just post pictures of your card to #thousand-blank-white-cards channel.

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Re: %wyt0Qre0v

Calvinball!!!

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Re: %jHMcmLP/k

I've become partial to kebab case.

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Re: %KJ4LLS3G8

@Howard Klein The condensed version of what I know about bread baking is here, although I see you've seen it already: %dbr21oK...

Hydration should be around 60-80% water to flour by weight. So with 1,000 grams of flour you'd want to add 700 grams of water to reach 70% hydration. Salt should be around 2%. The more water a dough has the stickier it will be and the greater the "structure" you'll have (more bubbles). A drier dough will be stiffer and won't stretch as much to trap and accommodate air bubbles. Obviously this is only true to a point before the dough becomes liquid enough that the bubbles escape.

The types of flour determine how well they form glutton structures. Wheat flour has the ability to form gluten readily. Whole wheat flour contains the germ and bran from the wheat berry, these two components are hard and sharp and will cut through the gluten as it's forming creating shorter chains and a "cakey" crumb. You can combat this somewhat by doing longer/slower ferments in the fridge, as well as using sourdough starters which will slowly break down the bran. White flour has these sifted out. This is partially to help with the baking process and partially to make the flour shelf stable as the germ and bran contain oils that go rancid once ground and can start oxidizing. Bread flour is just a high protein white flour suitable for making bread.

Gluten is a ropy protein formation that occurs in the dough as you knead it. Each type of flour has varying amounts of protein, as well as different combinations of the amino acids that produce those proteins. Hard winter wheat more than summer, if I remember correctly. Non wheat flours such as rye, spelt, barley and triticale all have varying amounts of ability to form gluten.

I would suggest starting with white wheat flour and slowly introducing other flours. Rye bread is a sticky dough and a very dense bread. I personally grew up with whole wheat bread only around the house and am thick headed about things so I always try and make 100% whole wheat bread at home...it's proven to be a trying process getting the same sort of open chewy bread that I have been able to make time and time when I worked at an Italian restaurant where we used bread flour.

Hope that helps, I'm still learning of course, but the more I put my thoughts into words the more clarity I get on the subject.

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I think the SCOBY should form naturally from what's on the skin. Perhaps you are putting it in while the water is too hot and killing off the bacterial components?

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Whoops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcOxhH8N3Bo
Although I feel like I'm rick-rolling you all...